Welcome to the big interview bite size. I'm Graham Hunter and in each episode

you'll hear an elite footballer tell a story that's guaranteed to brighten your day.

All of them come from my podcast, The Big Interview with Graham Hunter,

which you can find by searching on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.

Angelouche.

Anjalotti.

One of the things he had as a coach that was really difficult, he says the most difficult, was having to manage upwards, to manage

Berlusconi. We would come in and tell him this formation, this team.

Carla's about to win the probably, as we record this weekend against Espagnale probably when the

title is made to make it all five big leagues in Europe is won at least once.

He carries a repetition of being, I've often used the phrase myself, a player whisper. He can get great players one on one and convince them and bring better performances out of them and he's clearly a good manager

Sometimes people dispute whether he's super elite in terms of the actual coaching and analytics of a match.

These are millimeter differences I'm talking about.

I'm not being rude about him.

How much of this is describing the man that you work for?

First of all,

co-win with those big egos in those big clubs,

the way he men is that.

He needs to be clever.

They need to be very, very smart because big players are not easy players to have the biggest egos in the world. They're only thinking me me me. How can I become the most important player and all those egos.

So did I sit off, martini, Billy Costa curta,

everybody wants to be the impaled player.

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