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This Jungian Life Podcast

Bipolar Disorder: A Jungian Perspective

This Jungian Life Podcast

Joseph Lee, Deborah Stewart, Lisa Marchiano

Jungian, Mental Health, Health & Fitness, Psychology, Dreams, Jung, Relationships, Selfhelp, Society & Culture, Psychoanalysis

4.81.7K Ratings

🗓️ 19 January 2023

⏱️ 78 minutes

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Summary

Imprisoned by the sea with his son Icarus, mythological craftsman Daedalus constructed wings to escape. Beeswax held feathers in place, so Daedalus told Icarus not to fly too high or too low: the sun’s heat would melt the wax and sea spray would weigh the wings down. Elated, Icarus flew too high--and fell. Like Icarus, the moods of people with bipolar disorder swing from soaring into mania to sinking into depression. This disorder affects at least 2% of the population worldwide, with genetics by far the major contributor. BP is a major cause of disability and can also be a factor in creativity; it often brings with it anxiety, substance abuse, migraines, and more. Treatment includes medication, attention to lifestyle, and psychotherapy that includes relating to archetypal polarities. Jung says, “It is not a matter of indifference whether one calls something a ‘mania’ or a ‘god.’ To serve a mania is detestable and undignified, but to serve a god is full of meaning and promise.” Bipolar individuals soar between opposing archetypes leaving them exhausted and confused. Myths help ground the ego in a larger perspective.

Here's the dream we analyze:

“I am in a restaurant busy with people standing and moving around. I too am standing and have been given a seafood dish in an opaque glass (at first like a fancy stemmed glass for cocktail shrimp) and I slurp some of it down. Looking into the vessel I realize I've been eating raw seahorses. I continue to eat, one and then another, not wanting to be rude. They are slimy, room-temp, and gray. I look again into the vessel, which now is narrow at the top and wide at the bottom as if the seahorses, barely submerged in a grey liquid, are in a dark pit that I have to peer into, and I do realize that some of them are still moving, puckering their lips trying to breathe. I decide I cannot keep eating them. I go to where murky puddles have formed in the cement by the melting ice and crab parts of the kitchen's seafood prep. I assume the puddles to be brackish, or at least can provide a more bearable end of life for the seahorses, so I throw them in by flicking the glass. There are still more seahorses stuck to the bottom of the glass, my flicking hindered by its strange shape. People are standing and talking around the puddles now, so it's discreetly that I quickly flick the rest of the seahorses out, not wanting to be seen doing it and not wanting the seahorses to be seen in the puddles.”

REFERENCES:

Buzz Aldrin. Magnificent Desolation: The Long Journey Home from the Moon. https://a.co/d/j1IQZID

Jason Thompson. A Jungian Approach to Bipolar Disorder: Rejoining the Split Archetype. https://a.co/d/fZS821Y

Kay Redfield Jamison (multiple books): An Unquiet Mind; Manic-Depressive Illness; Touched with Fire: Manic-Depressive Illness and the Artistic Temperament; Exuberance: The Passion for Life.

S-town podcast. https://stownpodcast.org/

Werner Herzog (film). Grizzly Man. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grizzly_Man

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to this Jungian life.

0:03.0

Three good friends and Jungian analysts, Lisa Martiano,

0:07.0

Debra Stewart and Joseph Lee invite you to join them for an intimate and honest conversation

0:12.0

that brings a psychological perspective to important issues of the day.

0:18.0

I'm Lisa Martiano and I'm a Jungian analyst in Philadelphia.

0:22.0

I'm Joseph Lee and I'm a Jungian analyst in Virginia Beach, Virginia.

0:27.0

I'm Debra Stewart, a Jungian analyst and Cape Cod.

0:37.0

Today, we are going to talk about bipolar disorder.

0:43.0

It is a very important and prevalent kind of disorder.

0:50.0

It seems to affect 2 to 2.4% of the population worldwide.

0:59.0

It is the sixth leading cause of disability worldwide.

1:05.0

It seems to affect both men and women and pretty similar ratios.

1:12.0

There are a lot of life issues that go along with this.

1:17.0

There is a greater incidence of self-harm through substances and other kinds of behavioral activities.

1:28.0

There is an incidence of suicide that is greater than in a typical population.

1:35.0

People with this disorder can have a great deal of anxiety, substance abuse, personality issues,

1:44.0

migraines, obesity, diabetes.

1:48.0

The list goes on and on.

1:51.0

From a Jungian point of view, as well as from a biological point of view,

1:57.0

we are going to engage this important, difficult, and still not at all well understood disorder.

2:07.0

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2:14.0

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