I'm Claire Fallon and I'm Emma Gray and this is Love to See It, an obsessively detailed

recap podcast about reality dating shows like The Bachelor and other pop culture that makes us laugh, cry, and curse the patriarchy.

We can't live with these shows and we can't live without them, but we can break down every juicy moment and unpack all the weird messages these shows send us about love, sex, and dating.

Welcome to Love to See It, a podcast about wild off-screen relationship drama that increasingly doesn't seem so offscreen anymore.

The fourth wall is breaking, there are no delusions anymore, it's all mixed together in one big, soupy mess.

No, that so much has been going on and we are sorry that it has taken us a little bit of time to get to a gossip episode, but we are excited to be here and we are ready to dig in.

Yes, we're keeping like we're going to address that on the gossip, we're going to address that on the gossip, but then we're like, oh shoot, we can't do gossip this week, we're doing it, let's get into it because I think we really want to focus on a couple big stories.

And we're not going to wait, we're going to jump right in. Victoria Follower is now dating Greg Grippo.

I mean explosions, this is just agent of chaos type of news.

We haven't even seen what happens with Victoria and Johnny and already we're deep in post-relationship questions. So before Victoria's love triangle with Johnny and Alex even played out on screen, spoilers had already emerged that Johnny and Victoria ended up engaged.

I believe reality Steve published those spoilers a while ago.

Yeah, it's like everything with Victoria and Johnny was like no stakes because it had been completely spoiled very early on.

But mid season Dave Neal, who is a recapper and YouTuber published another rumor that Victoria cheated on Johnny and that their relationship had ended.

And that she was not only dating Greg Grippo from Katie Thurston season now, but currently traveling with him in Italy because an eagle eye bachelor nation fan had taken a blurry photo of the two of them and their backs walking around.

And Italian, so yeah, imagine that you're just like at the Coliseum on your long awaited European vacation finally getting a break from the constant bachelor content.

And what should you see.

But like two of the great villains of their seasons, one of whom is supposedly about to get engaged to someone else just wandering romantically around like the various landmarks of like Rome.

It's like, damn, these two probably were like, we got to get out of town to avoid bachelor nation. The global.

Maybe everywhere, maybe this is the pen.

This is a surveillance state.

It is globally.

It was funny like the first photos that emerged people like, look, it's Greg and Victoria. And I was like, it's people.

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