Welcome back to this week and start ups everybody a little bit of a controversial guest here.

And some of you might agree about me having Billy McFarlane to fire festival in the program.

Some of you might be upset, hey, why not give this slot to a founder who is not a convicted felon?

I understand both arguments. I'm taking a little bit of a risk here having Billy on the program,

but he reached out to me. And I think there's some lessons to be learned.

And having watched some of Billy's interviews and social media, I think he's in honest,

reflection mode. So I thought I would take the chance and have the notorious Billy McFarlane

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Then as I said, convicted felon, Billy, when you hear me describe you as such, what goes through

your mind now that you have this moniker. So people have been trying to get at me emotionally

over the past handful of months. They refer to me as inmate Nick Farland.

So I think at this point, I've been through everything and heard everything.

And it's like, just think of reminds me of the mountain that I had to climb to just get back to

being above water. And that means so many things and it just could be a really long journey ahead.

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