Hello and welcome to the Bullwark podcast.

I'm your host Tim Miller.

We are back.

Hope everyone had a wonderful holiday or is still having a wonderful holiday.

Much has happened since we talked last.

We'll be getting to Timmy's Oscar-worthy Bob Dylan performance, of course,

at the end. Jimmy Carter's passing the coming debt limit and speakership showdowns here next week.

2025 foreign policy outlook, must versus MAGA. But our guess has implored me that the place to start

today is MAGA versus Miller. And it is, of course, Bill

Crystal. Bill, I hope you had a wonderful Hanukkah. And I turned over to you. What were you curious

for more infel about my encounter with our old friend Carrie Lake in Phoenix a couple weeks ago?

Good to be with you, Tim, and happy New Year, a little ahead of time. Yes, well, you are so well about your encounter with Carrie Lake and Laura Luma playing the peacemaker at that insane Charlie Kirk event that you seem to like going to each year.

There's some kind of character defect there.

But anyway, I feel like there must be more color that you can give on that.

What exactly?

You went to the like a party,

you know, an after party invited by whom exactly, if I could ask. Yeah, correct. So I had

interviewed Steve Vannon and we talked about that, both articles will put in the show notes.

If folks were taking a break, this was, I guess, the Friday before Christmas.

And it interviewed him about kind of the future of MAGA, but the newsy bit that he talked about

was, you know, how from his perspective, Cash Patel is going to follow up on his plans to target

the people that were in his book on the so-called enemies list. I think that's particularly

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