Welcome to What a Creep, the podcast that talks about creeps of the past and the present.

My name is Sonia Mansfield. And joining me for this episode is my friend, the brilliant Kristen Mainzer.

Hello. So happy to be here with you, Sonia. Oh my gosh.

I'm very, very excited to have you here. If you don't know who she is, that's impossible.

But she is the hosts. She hosts all this stuff, one of the hosts of the nightly on Hatch Plus, which I need to listen to because I think I could use it right now. She also hosts Health Matters from the Mayo Clinic.

She's also contributed to NPR's Pop Culture Happy Hour, which I love, and relevant to today's topic in a

past life, she worked as an associate research scholar at NYU's Center for Religion and Media, as well as a researcher.

Yes, she has credentials on Wii TV's search.

I'm sorry, secret lives of women of quiverful, women quiverful special.

Thank you.

Sorry.

I added in and of.

Nope.

That's all, that's all exactly as it should be.

Exactly, Sonia.

You have so many credentials, so many podcasts.

So thank you for taking time.

Thank you.

I should also say I'm just like, as kind of a weird hobby, just obsessed with the

IBLP, with Bill Gothard, with the Duggers. I read all of their memoirs.

I read a lot of stuff on all of these people. I just, I know way too much about them.

Well, then this is the perfect outlet for you to put all of that to work. I love this for you.

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