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Wall Street Breakfast

Bill Ackman bets against the long bond

Wall Street Breakfast

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🗓️ 3 August 2023

⏱️ 6 minutes

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0:00.0

Welcome to Seeking Alpha's Wall Street Lunch, our afternoon update on today's market action news and analysis.

0:10.0

Good afternoon. Today is Thursday, August 3rd, and I'm your host, Kim Khan. Our top story in today's session.

0:17.0

Bill Ackman's Hedge Fund is betting against 30-year U.S. Treasuries, calling it a hedge on the impact of higher long-term rates on stocks as well as a high

0:24.7

probability standalone bet. Ackman tweeted that a long bond short was one of the few

0:29.4

macro investments that still offers a reasonably probable asymmetric payoff.

0:34.0

Pershing Square will hedge by using options rather than shorting at right.

0:38.0

He adds that if long-term inflation is 3% instead of 2%,

0:42.0

the 30-year yield could reach 5.5% soon.

0:45.0

There are many times in history where the bond market re-prices the long end of the curve in a matter of weeks,

0:50.0

and it seems like this is one of those times, Ackman adds.

0:54.0

He also notes that long-term treasuries look over-bought and with $32 trillion of debt, large

0:58.8

deficits, and higher refinancing rates and increasing supply of such treasuries as assured.

1:04.2

Adding QT into the mix, it's hard to imagine how the market absorbs such a large increase in supply

1:08.9

without materially higher rates. Now I look at today's trading. Stocks are adding to the big sell-off in the previous

1:16.1

session, mainly due to the drag from corporate earnings. The S&P is off less than half a

1:20.9

percent, while the NASDAQ and dow are faring better.

1:24.6

Yields are higher on the long end of the curve amid a slew of economic numbers.

1:28.4

The 10-year Treasury yield is up 10 basis points to 4.17 percent, while the two-year yield is flat around 4.9%.

1:36.2

If this holds up, it will be the continuation of a trend for the two-stens curve, with eight straight

1:40.9

days of steepening. The first reading of Q2 non-firm labor productivity showed a 3.7% increase,

1:47.0

stronger than the 1.3% expected

1:50.0

and reversing the 2.1% decline.

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