Hey guys, you're listening to the Perfect 10 podcast, and I am Lana Turner, and I have brought a guest on to the podcast who hasn't been on in a really long time.

And I've, okay, this is Big Mike.

Hey.

And you guys might remember we talked about all kinds of stuff in the past.

But I've known

big Mike for how many years have we known each other six seven years now it's been I think

it's been more yeah more since my bad bar gigs like like since oh nine I think since the bad bar gigs

we're still doing bad bar gigs I just won't tell nobody, but I'll do it.

Oh, it's been, we've had so many years of just, like, driving in cars to do shitty gigs together, right? Exactly. And then they've gotten better over the years, so, you know, we'll still take a crappy one on a Wednesday night. I love crappy gigs. I really do. I mean, I learned a lot from doing shitty gigs, but I mean, I learned a lot from just hanging out with you.

I think it's interesting. Right now, we're hanging outside of a Starbucks just in Studio City.

In Studio City. And it's a good life, right? Like running into people and hanging out.

Everyone looks happy. Everyone is happy. This isn't really, I don't do this every day, but it's kind of like, it's a whole different world, right? I don't even come out in daytime, okay? My day doesn't start to the sunset and say, what show am I going to do? I got you up early. This is very much not my norm being out at noon in L.A. Well, because normally we're talking at like 2 a.m. in a car.

And some of the stuff that you've talked to me about, like, that is your world, it blows my

mind.

Because I recognize that your life is not an uncommon story, some of the things that have

happened when we talk about, like, some of the hardships that you've had.

Sure.

But from my perspective, I'm just like, what the fuck, man?

Like, I can't believe you, you just need to start sharing because I'm not going to be able to like, like, you were incarcerated for shit that just blew my mind mind and then the amount of time you had to spend and like...

I'll tell you something weird.

Being going to jail is a habit you can develop.

Like it's very easy once you get started.

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