Hey, Drill Listers, we are still on a production heydus working on our next season, but there's

a little sneak peek of that season at the end of this episode, so make sure you listen

to the end for that.

The reason we're coming at you today is because I had the opportunity to speak with David

Sarada about a recent piece that he did in his newsletter, TMI, Too Much Information.

You might recognize David's name from his previous gig at the Guardian, or as a speed trader

for Bernie Sanders.

I wanted to talk to him because I get his newsletter and I saw an item in there that

we had actually missed on our policy tracker, so I added it, but I also wanted to get the

backstory on it.

It was a sort of obscure little proposed rule that basically makes it harder to invest

retirement funds in environmentally sustainable funds.

It's been pushed mostly by the fossil fuel industry no surprise, and we're going to pick

up this conversation with David explaining more about it in a minute after this message

from today's sponsor.

I'm Amy Westervalt, and this is DrillT.

I was hoping that you could start by saying, what is this rule change and what brought

it to your attention initially?

Sure.

ESG investing is basically the technical term for environmental, social, and governance

based investing.

What that's a lot of jargon for is investing in a way that takes into account what the

...