BIG INTV: Kara Swisher Says Silicon Valley's Biggest Lie is That They Care About People
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🗓️ 4 November 2025
⏱️ 48 minutes
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Katie catches up with fellow journalist and podcast host, Kara Swisher to talk about interviewing arrogant pricks, the power of negging and who would play her in a movie. And she tells Katie if she had to she would rather work for Sam Altman over Mark Zuckerberg.
Join WIRED’s best and brightest on Uncanny Valley as they dissect the collision of tech, politics, finance, and business, from Alexis Ohanian's newest tech venture to the effects of inaccurate information from artificial intelligence (AI) chatbots on social protests.
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| 0:00.0 | From Wired, this is The Big Interview. |
| 0:06.4 | I'm Katie Drummond, Wired's global editorial director. |
| 0:09.2 | This week, I caught up with someone I've known for some time. |
| 0:12.6 | She's a fellow tech journalist, albeit someone with a few more years under her belt than me, |
| 0:17.2 | and she's a podcast host. |
| 0:19.5 | And since I now too am a podcast host, I wanted to get a little |
| 0:23.2 | bit of advice and talk shop. So I called up Kara Swisher, host of her own show, and the co-host of |
| 0:28.9 | Pivot, to join me on the big interview today. As you probably would have imagined, this conversation |
| 0:33.9 | was collegial, maybe even a little bit easy, in part because, no big secret here, |
| 0:39.6 | we are both women reporting on and criticizing a world dominated by men. |
| 0:45.3 | We talk about interviewing arrogant pricks, the power of negging, and who would play Kara in a movie. |
| 0:51.2 | But I also get a bit of advice about how to, well, care less. Okay, here's our conversation. |
| 1:03.7 | All right. Karis Swisher, welcome to the big interview. Thank you for being here. |
| 1:08.2 | Thank you. I'm sorry I can't be in person at your beautiful studio. Next time. Yes. It is truly glorious here in this tiny closet. Who's that behind you? In your |
| 1:16.5 | head. This is actually nobody listening to this can see it, but it's a giant version of the Wired |
| 1:22.5 | cover with Edward Snowden. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Look at him. There he is. And one of our reporters, |
| 1:26.8 | Andy Greenberg, had this in his house for years. And then yeah. Oh, yeah. Look at him. There he is. And one of our reporters, Andy Greenberg, |
| 1:27.6 | had this in his house for years. And then finally was like, my wife needs me to get this out of the house. Can I bring it to the office? And I said, sure. So now it sits behind me when I record the podcast. In sort of this creepy style of him hugging the flag. I did a good interview with him many years ago, many, many years ago. |
| 1:45.2 | He's still out there. Yeah, he is. Okay, well, we like to start with a little game. We like to start |
| 1:50.4 | with some quickfire questions. I'm sure you used to this kind of thing. You ready to go? |
| 1:54.8 | Ready. Okay. Most active text thread you're on. Oh, God. With my, with my kids. Podcasts or substacks. What do you mean? Do I listen? |
| 2:06.8 | Pick one. Oh, podcasts. Yeah, I figured. Obviously. The tech exec you would least want to get stuck in an elevator with. |
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