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The Bullworks weekly roundtable discussion featuring civil conversation across the political spectrum. We range from center left to center right. I'm

AB Stoddard columnist at the bulwark sitting in for Mona Charing this week.

We are joined as always by Bill Golfson of the Brookings Institution and the Wall Street Journal.

Damon Lincher, who writes the sub-stack newsletter, Notes from the Middle Ground,

Linda Chavez of the Niskanin Center,

and our guest this week is Tom Nichols contributor to the Atlantic.

Welcome everyone, especially Tom.

I want to talk with Tom at the outset, short term, and then long term about Israel.

This is not my area of expertise, so I did consult and collaborate with the great Ben Parker

of the Boork, the last couple days on

this. I saw that Biden is strongly denouncing attacks on Palestinians in the West Bank

and saying that this has to stop and it's pouring gasoline on the West Bank and saying that this has to stop and it's pouring gasoline on the fire.

We have this pause on the ground invasion plans because of the concerns about our troops in the region and placing

missile defenses where that can help. But Tom in the near term what are the

challenges in terms of Iran and us being dragged into a wider conflict,

the fate of the hostages, and then looking to a ground invasion?

If the objective is not to control Gaza, what longer term for Israel is the sort of least

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