Okay, how do you define the word love? There are lots of definitions and maybe

it's changed over time. I mean we've been married for almost 40 years and my love for Dina has changed.

It's gone from that early infatuation to something much deeper, stronger, and long lasting and

And maybe that's the same kind of love you have. I'm John Fuller along with

Greg Smalley and his wife Erin. They lead the focus marriage team and

Erin love, the definition of love that the love that you and Greg have had. Has that changed over time?

Absolutely. And you know you think about before you get married for me, love was, you know, that the romance the excitement of what was to come and at 32

years of marriage I mean our love has matured and it's not all about a feeling.

Sure, I feel loved towards Greg, but it's a mature love.

And it's one that has been tried and true.

There's grit to it. There's times we sacrifice, there's

appreciation, empathy. I mean, we're more growth focused. And we also know that even in the most difficult of times we can

choose love. I appreciate that and Greg we'll get you in here at the end of this

clip but let's go ahead and turn now to a conversation that focused president Jim

daily had with Dr David Gudgel. He's a former pastor and writes a lot, speaks a

lot, and he shared with Jim how the Bible defines love.

Hey Dave let me ask you to in Hebrew in the language of the Hebrews

Solomon uses a word for love which is I think I'm not sure how to pronounce it but it's a hab or a yeah it's a h a b yeah so yes what's that

first of all how do you say that and secondly have is good is is it a have I think yeah and it's just

descriptive of a multi-colored love if you want to set it that way so it's all

encompassing it it encompasses self-sacrifice the love of sacrifice we know that is agape love

It encompasses filial love the Philadelphia the city of bodily love and so this emotional connection

...