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Sons of Patriarchy

Biblical Counseling and Abuse

Sons of Patriarchy

Peter Bell & Sarah Bader

Religion & Spirituality

4.2649 Ratings

🗓️ 7 July 2025

⏱️ 95 minutes

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Season 2 - Episode 6

 

Kimi Harris discusses her reporting about abuse in the ACBC (Association of Certified Biblical Counselors), the history of "Biblical" counseling, the major proponents of it, how they view abuse, how they unintentionally (and intentionally) perpetuate abuse, and much more.

 

Kimi Harris' Substack: https://kimiharris.substack.com

 

Resources/Quotes referred to in this episode

(Original Christianity Today Article by Kimi) When Restoration Hurts, https://www.christianitytoday.com/2019/11/when-restoration-hurts-christian-counseling-abuse/

Mending the Soul, https://www.mendingthesoul.org/

Tim Keller's ebook: Four Models of Counseling in Pastoral Ministry, https://gospelinlife.com/manual-paper/four-models-of-counseling-in-pastoral-ministry/

Jay Adam's article: What is she to do? https://nouthetic.org/what-is-she-to-do/

Health Lambert article on his talk on Priests, Prophets, and Zombies: https://fbcjax.com/first-thoughts/priests-in-the-garden-zombies-in-the-wilderness-and-prophets-on-the-wall-the-current-state-of-the-contemporary-biblical-counseling-movement/

Brad Hambrick on Joseph and Abuse: https://bradhambrick.com/the-story-of-joseph-abuse-forgiveness-power-differentials-and-wisdom/

ACBC's statement on abuse: https://abuse.biblicalcounseling.com/

ACBC's conference on abuse:  https://biblicalcounseling.com/product/2018-annual-conference-complete-conference-collection/

Transcript

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Patriarchy.com into your search bar. Now, on with today's conversation.

1:12.6

All right, welcome to season two of Sons of Patriarchy.

1:16.7

For those who've been following along, our journey for the past eight or so months, nine

1:22.1

months, ten months, whenever this episode is out, the first season was focused more particularly on Doug Wilson, the CRC, the rise of some of these movements, the rise of Christian nationalism, the classical school education system, home schooling education system, particularly of Wilson's brand. And then everything that comes around with, the politics, the gender ideas of hyper

1:47.1

patriarchalism, of a bunch more stuff. And we've seen a lot of the fruits even within the last

1:53.4

few months of that. The season two builds off of it and it goes a little bit broader. Doesn't

1:59.3

lose the focus to season one, but it goes broader into how have these ideas affected

2:04.5

the evangelical landscape as a whole, as well as how do these matters work out practically

2:12.6

in the church.

2:13.5

And so we were less church focused than season one.

2:17.5

You can say season two is a little bit more focused on the church, how these ideas play

2:20.9

out in the church.

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