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All right, another story coming on, Sons of Patriarchy, and with today's conversation. All right.

Another story coming on, sons of patriarchy.

This one's a little, a little bit of a, of a, not a break, but a difference in some of

this stuff we're talking about where this one has much more to do with counseling,

biblical counseling, and a few large organizations that are well known for

biblical counseling. So I'll ask the first question, because all of this revolves around the

ACBC. So what is the ACBC and what do they do?

ACBC is a certification training and certification agency.

It was, it has its origins in a man named Jay Adams and Jay Adam in the 70s was asked

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