Bible Scholar Challenges Lecrae on the Demons & Entry Points - Joel Muddamale Pt. 2
The Deep End With Lecrae
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🗓️ 19 March 2026
⏱️ 58 minutes
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Summary
Can demons read your minds? Do they possess people outright, or is it something more subtle? And what does any of this have to do with the Epstein files?
In Part 2 of this conversation, Lecrae and Dr. Joel Muddamalle go deeper into the unseen world, breaking down how demonic powers actually operate, what "entry points" really mean, and why the line between oppression and possession is less clear-cut than most Christians assume.
They also unpack Psalm 121, the geopolitical theology of Daniel 10, and why Paul's language for "powers and principalities" connects directly to the false gods of the Old Testament.
Plus, the underwater question you didn't see coming: outside of infidelity, is divorce ever justified?
Dr. Joel Muddamalle is the Director of Theology and Research at Proverbs 31 Ministries and the author of The Unseen Battle.
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| 0:00.0 | Can demons read our minds? Okay. Sometimes I think we think of them and we think of the |
| 0:05.2 | incommunicable attributes of God, his omniscience, his omnipotence, and we just automatically equate that to these dark powers. They're not any of those things, they're created beings. I used to always say, man, if you're a believer, you can't be possessed. Now I'm like, I don't I don't think it's that clean cut, bro. |
| 0:20.4 | Really? |
| 0:21.2 | I don't think it's that clean cut. |
| 0:22.8 | Because DMT, ayahuasca, but it's just an opportunity to learn more and to grow more. Well, 1 Peter 5.8 says to be sober-minded. Where's the rubric for what is a portal or an entry point and what's not? Why is caffeine not an entry point? |
| 0:38.3 | But the ayahuasca plant is an entry point. |
| 0:40.3 | I would say who told you the caffeine plant is not an entry point? |
| 0:43.3 | Who told you that? |
| 0:45.3 | All right. |
| 0:46.3 | Anything that is a neutral thing that becomes an ultimate thing will always become an idolatrous thing. |
| 0:52.3 | Anything. |
| 0:53.3 | Also, maybe I shouldn't, I don't know if I should say it. |
| 0:57.2 | It's like, this is the deep end with La Cray. |
| 1:04.7 | Yo, ladies and gentlemen, if you were with us for part one of my conversation with Dr. Joel, |
| 1:09.7 | Maramali, you are in for a treat |
| 1:12.5 | because this is where we're going to get even deeper into the deep end. Last episode, we talked |
| 1:18.1 | a lot about Genesis and the flood and the Nephilim and just, you know, the Tower of Babel and a lot of questions. |
| 1:28.9 | Yeah. |
| 1:29.4 | Yes. |
| 1:30.3 | And we had kind of started getting into, you know, Deuteronomy 32. |
| 1:40.7 | And I know the question that I have in mind, and I want you to, you know, use Deuteronian 3217 to like get us here. |
| 1:47.6 | But just know. What I want to know and what the people want to know is can demons read our minds. |
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