Hidden, a true crime podcast, a forensic psychologist and a journalist explore the hidden motives behind

unthinkable crimes while examining our deepest fears along the way.

This is Dr. John Mathias and I'm here with my wife Laura Mathias

and I want to introduce you to our new podcast called Hidden. Hidden refers to hidden

motivations for crimes. And the purpose of our podcast will be to dig deep into the

criminal mind and to try to figure out some of the reasons why

criminals do what they do. By way of introduction, I'm a clinical and forensic

psychologist. I've been doing this for over 20 years. My

expertise is in assessing high-risk felons for recidivism risks for violence and sex offenses.

And I am Lauren.

I met John five years ago.

We were set up in living hundreds of miles away from each other.

I was a journalist in Boise, Idaho at the time,

and I was covering crime every day.

John and I would talk on the phone at night

and I would tell them about these crazy cases that I was reporting on.

One in particular had really affected me.

It was a recent case of Adam Dees.

He was a 22 year old man who was raised by good Christian parents and a good family and had gone one night, picked a house randomly on Google Maps and went and robbed the home and killed the entire family.

And it really affected me and I lived alone at the time and I was scared and so

John and I would stay up and just talk about it. And we've essentially been talking about crime ever since.

Every night we talk about crime, whether we like it or not.

...