Hidden, a true crime podcast, a forensic psychologist and a journalist explore the hidden motives behind

unthinkable crimes while examining our deepest fears along the way.

Welcome back to our seven episode of Hidden,

where Lauren and I explore some of the hidden motivations

behind unimaginable crimes.

This is Dr. John Mathias.

And this is Lauren Mathias.

So last week I mentioned I would discuss three elements that I think played a major role in Chad Daybell's eventual crimes.

The first one we discussed last week and that was a denial of being human.

Over the weekend we received information from Carl Danger that was quite

specific about Chad Daybell's excommunication from the Mormon Church and that

information was interesting because we had already completed our podcast and

essentially what we learned was the Chad did indeed believe he was a profit.

The Chad not only believed he was a profit but apparently he believed he should be leading the Mormon church and

that information was interesting to us because it confirmed this whole idea of

Chad denying his humanness, denying his limitations, even showing

so much grandiosity that he believed that based on his books and his ideas and his visions and his promptings that he should be in charge

in the entire Mormon church which I believe is what 35 million members 40 million members?

Oh you think I know that, but I don't.

I'll pull it up.

Anyway, let's just say this.

He wasn't content being in charge of award of, you know, I don't know,

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