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Therapist Uncensored Podcast

Beyond Sex: Understanding Desire with Shadeen Francis (260)

Therapist Uncensored Podcast

Sue Marriott LCSW, CGP & Ann Kelley PhD

Social Sciences, Society & Culture, Science, Relationships, Education, Self-improvement

4.71.5K Ratings

🗓️ 11 March 2025

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Summary

Dr. Ann Kelley and Shadeen Francis, LMFT unpack the intricate nature of desire, extending beyond just the sexual realm. They unpack the challenges in identifying true desires, the role of embodiment in self-awareness, and the key distinction between wanting and liking. Together they discuss intimacy, self-discovery and communication - with an emphasis on the need for negotiation and authentic connection in sexual experiences.

Transcript

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0:00.0

You being in your body permits and invites me to be in my body.

0:10.6

So you being settled and safe in your body is an invitation to me.

0:17.7

Because we are wired for connection.

0:20.1

Our nervous systems are constantly seeking co-regulation.

0:26.5

And so we are picking up on each other's energy and state all of the time.

0:33.8

And so your sense of embodied wanting makes room for me to be in what I want. And so in the same way

0:41.0

that if we were talking about food again, if we were going to go out to eat and order different

0:47.2

things, it is also possible during sex. That what I give does not have to be what I receive.

0:55.2

And vice versa.

1:01.7

What's on my menu for tonight doesn't have to be the exact same thing that is on your menu for tonight.

1:05.7

Welcome to Therapist Uncensored.

1:11.4

Building on decades of professional experience, this podcast tackles neurobiology, modern attachment,

1:14.6

and more in an honest way that's helpful in healing humans.

1:18.3

Your session begins now with Dr. Anne Kelly and Sue Marriott.

1:26.7

Hey, everyone.

1:47.1

So excited about our guest today. We have the wonderful Shadine Francis here with us. I got a chance to speak with Shadine before this conversation and I loved it. And I know you will too. She is a marriage and family therapist, a relationship expert, and a board certified sex therapist. So welcome to the show, Shadine. Thank you for joining us. Thank you so much for having me. I am

1:52.7

excited to be here. We are going to dive into the topic on desire. Kind of a broad concept, isn't it? Yeah, I love when we get to talk desire.

2:06.0

I think when people hear sex therapist immediately we want to zoom right in and plainly,

2:10.9

that is also what people tend to do with sex. But I love talking about desire because it's this

2:17.2

really juicy entry point and so many of the

2:21.4

conversations that I have with people, the nature of how they move through the world,

2:26.6

not just their sexual relationships, but their relationship to other elements in the world

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