Welcome to Green Alliance's podcast. We are the charity and think tank that is all about achieving ambitious leadership for the environment.

I'm Amy Mount, head of the Greener UK unit.

In this episode, we present the highlights from our recent event on UK trade policy and the environment post-Brexit.

The question on everyone's lips is, of course, will we really be eating chlorinated chicken?

Our speakers interrogated the scare stories and asked what's in store.

To kick off the debate, we were fortunate enough to have the former Director General of the World Trade Organisation,

Pascal Lamy, deliver a keynote speech.

He began by simply stating the facts.

I think there's no mystery in the fact that Brexit is a mess.

The reason behind this mess is that it's based on a fundamental misunderstanding about what Brexit is about.

In short hand, Brexit was made by many people to be about some sort of quick rapid operation of unplugging.

The reality always was to be very different.

If it's about something, it's about unscrambling, not unplugging.

It's about a long and painful process. The plugging has something to do with

mechanics. Onscambling has something to do with organics. So the fundamental question which

needs to be addressed now is if Brexit is to happen, how much of political exit, how much of political

Brexit, for how much of economic Brexit, it being understood that in the meantime, since UK joined in the 70s, the

scrambling of the omelette has made the cost of politically leaving economically high.

This notion that it's about a custom union and a backstop would solve the Irish problem.

I'm sorry to say, makes absolutely no sense.

A customs union is about administering tariffs at a border.

A single market is removing borders because you don't need borders anymore.

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