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I'm Alan Ulta and this is Clear and Vivid, conversations about connecting and communicating.

That's how he introduced me, ladies and gentlemen, the Divine Massim.

And it stuck.

And I thought it was great.

And you know what?

I really thought it was great.

More than 50 years later, I realized that it had something to do, that word divine,

meant more than I actually realized.

I thought it was, oh, you know, I'm divine.

Now, you know, I'm ready for my close up, that kind of whacking-ness.

But as the years have gone by, I've realized it was the opening of a door, something

having to do with God, something to do with spirituality.

I've had so many shows I've been, I've had divine madness, I've had divine intervention.

But the thing is, the thing that's so great about it is that it's the link.

It's a spiritual link.

That's the multi-talented Beth Middler.

She's been entertaining us for decades now and just about every form of entertainment

there is.

But one of the first things I wanted to ask her about probably doesn't sound related

to any of them.

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