Book your ticket to happiness with Sun Express Airlines. I'm John Bats Hotel Mars, David Livingston, Dr. Space, the Space Show and we're very

pleased to be speaking with Daniel Suarez, a novelist of science that for now is taking what we have here on Earth in

hardware and software and projecting them into Earth orbit, Cis Lunar Orbit, the solar system for prosperity.

Prosperity of course brings competition.

We've talked about the hardware, the spin gravity station, the SPS Alpha Mark 3 solar power satellite,

mining of Regolith, the software.

We have the Outer Space Treaty, which is a product of the Cold War,

in 1967.

We have the Moon Treaty, and now we have the Artemis War in 1967. We have the Moon Treaty and now we have the

Artemis Accords. None of these to my knowledge exactly fit the circumstances

that Daniel is very convincingly presenting private enterprise in competition with state enterprise,

that would be the authoritarian regimes that have science and engineering to match ours, and the contest on the moon in lunar orbit and especially in the proximity of an asteroid.

Daniel, I'll go right to the heart of it. Who owns that asteroid?

Huh.

That's a fair question.

Now, if you take the Outer Space Treaty,

no entity can own a celestial object.

And at least that's the legal statement proclamation that we have thus far.

So if you go back to the nation of Luxembourg and I believe it was 2017 they put out a space law saying that you while you may not be able to own

Celestial objects you can mind them and process that those resources could to potentially bring it back to Earth.

Although I think the real main thrust of that there

was that you could bring the value of it back to Earth

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