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I've been educated me about how Venus has not been treated equally with Mars by the probes

and the large space organizations now in charge of examining Mars. The U.S. certainly, NASA

has two probes, rovers on the surface, but many other participants are now watching and

planning and looking forward to not only more of Mars sampling, but also colonies. And

then we come to our fellow traveler, Venus, in the sky every morning, every evening, whether

it's an evening star or a morning star. And I've learned from David over the years that

there's very little good solid information because the probes have slighted Venus, no

more. There's reason to believe that Venus is going to get a great deal of attention.

And David's book is a harbiter of what we don't know and what we can learn with the new

probes. First of all, there's breaking news. There's much hard feeling about Russia these

last years, but not in the big space agencies. You will remember that Russia and the U.S.

work very carefully to maintain the ISS. Now we have breaking news. Within last days,

Russia and the U.S. have agreed on a joint Venus exploration mission, this according

to the head of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin. David, this is wonderful news, not only for

the geopolitics of it, Russia and the U.S. working together again. That was a big demonstration

in the Cold War of how science and engineering can be quite separate from the hard feelings

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