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I'm John Batcher. I am speaking with my colleague Michael Jan, War correspondent, Patreon.

Michael Jan at patreon.com is how to find Michael's photographs and videos. Right now we're

having a conversation about what he learned in these last hours. He is in Panama. He is

at the at the edge of the Darian gap at the end of the Panama highway. He is in a rain

forest. It's raining and we're discussing what he learned before while he was in the

juggle and he got out of the jungle fast enough so that he didn't sink in the mud.

Michael, I now want to go to the migrant flow. You mentioned earlier that when you were

there 10 days ago, there were several hundred recorded in a day coming out of the Darian

gap at Bajo, Jacito. What is the, and you mentioned that the flow today was very minimal.

Three or more. Where are they, Michael? Have they stopped?

Well, since the last time I was there, which was about 10 days ago, there were, you know,

it was flooded then that the place was overrun with migrants. And you can see, for instance,

that YouTube video I'll put up with the three Venezuelans talking about the women being

raped and all that. They were gone. Most of the, there were still maybe a hundred there,

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