I'm John Boucher. This is the new John Boucher show at CBS Audio Network. I'm very pleased

to be speaking with Henry Tricks, who is in Great Britain. He works for the Economist

magazine. He has helped me understand the generations of businessmen, business women,

people who make decisions for private corporations and politics and epochs. And right now we're

back to the 21st century. Henry Atlanta is an example of activism. That's the word

that's used, generally speaking, of CEOs, even entering into a conversation in Zoom because

it is the pandemic. During the master's golf tournament weekend to discuss a letter

that was eventually published, seen as nonpartisan in support of voting rights. However, I mentioned

that only because it's one example of CEOs acting corporate CEOs acting in political atmospheres.

You at economist also mentioned Jamie Dimon, who speaks out on a number of political

matters and has been prominent, really, for a long time, but certainly since the great

recession of 2009, 2010, when he was prominently in conversation with then President Barack

Obama. And also you mentioned the business roundtable, making political observations all

the time, although it's put in terms of where is the market going. Are those positive examples

of CEOs and does that encourage this transformation again? It's not just shareholders, it's also

the atmosphere of the company. I don't think that we see this as uniformly positive.

Let me be very clear here that the economist has no doubt about the importance of supporting

voting rights. And so when we saw what was being done both in Georgia and across various

states in America, there was certainly a sense that it's important to ensure that there

is easy access to voting and that voting rights are respected. The worry here is really

one of concentration of power. It's the fact that business leaders are unelected. They

do tend to serve their own interests and they pretty much always lobbying for their own

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