Five, four, three, two, two, one, one, one, one, one, One. Normal, the Telegraph Podcasts with Allison Pearson. Hello?

And me, Liam Halligan.

Co-pilot Pearson and I are on our summer break,

but to help keep you sane, dear citizens of Planet Normal,

while we're away, we're bringing you some of our biggest interviews from our recent archive.

The discussions we've had on Planet Normal, the Rocket of Our Thinking,

The Flying Refuge of Reasoned Views.

Also in January this year, I interviewed legendary former frontman of the Undertones turned water

campaigner Fergal Sharky, as well as discussing the state of the UK's waterways, a subject close to Shanky's heart since

his childhood days fishing in his native Northern Ireland, we also discussed relations

between Britain and the UK post Brexit, as well as a musical career

creating such legendary hits as teenage kicks Jimmy Jimmy and my perfect cousin.

I started by asking Foggle Sharky about his lifelong love of fishing.

Foggle would get on to your musical career, but I have to ask you first about your campaign. your passion for fishing.

It certainly does. I've spent 50 years now more than that actually.

Standing about in the middle of rivers waving bits of cane carbon fiber

fiber glass around my head in a futile attempt

to persuade trotting salmon to be obliging enough

to hold on to the end of my flyline. A lot of people don't get fishing. It is though the biggest

single participation sport in Britain. What is it about testing your wits against these incredibly clever fish, catching them and then for the most part throwing them back?

Ironically enough, you go back to a man called Isaac Walton who back in 1653 wrote a little book called

a complete angler who I think described it best when he said is it not an art to deceive a trout with an artificial fly?

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