Ted Audio Collective

I just for one have always loved sadness.

I love sad movies, I love sad books, I love sad stories.

They make me feel like I'm connected to reality instead of fantasy.

From the Ted Audio Collective, this is Design Matters with Debbie Norman.

For 17 years Debbie Norman has been talking with some of the world's most creative people about what they do,

about to be who they are and what they're thinking about and working on.

And now some of those interviews appear in print in Debbie's brand new book, Why Design Matters.

Conversations with the world's most creative people.

It's coming out in February of this year.

In anticipation of the book, we're releasing interviews from the archives this month.

We thought it would be fun for listeners to hear not only some great interviews,

but also to hear how the podcast has evolved over the years.

So we've been releasing the oldest ones first and preceding chronologic record.

In December of 2018 Debbie spoke with singer, songwriter and actor Shirley Manson

about the value of speaking up.

I am so a believer in speaking out to destroy shame.

Shame is something that festers inside us through our silence.

Shirley Manson, after the break.

Do you ever feel like your laptop just keeps going, but you are completely drained?

I think a lot of us don't realize how much pain we live in because of our interactions with computing.

NPR's Body Electric, a special interactive series investigating how to fix the relationship between our tech and our health.

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