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This archival episode of Design Matters originally dropped in December of 2023.

You know if you're on your phone and there's something really interesting about somebody's talking to you

and trying to get your attention and you keep pulling away and looking at the person who's talking to you but going

back to your phone.

That's what it felt like when I was trying to pull myself into a deeper relationship with

my own work.

the chat audio collective, this is Design Matters with Debbie Millman.

For 18 years, Debbie Millman has been talking with designers and other creative people about what they do, how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about and working on.

On this episode, Roseanne Cash talks about her career in music and about dreams.

Oh my God, I woke up, just devastated. I mean I knew what it meant.

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Country, folk, pop, blues, Americana.

Call it what you will, and you still won't capture the moving memorable music of Roseanne Cash.

One of the country's preeminent singer-songwriters,

Roseanne Cash has released 15 albums

that have earned four Grammy Awards and 12 additional nominations.

Roseanne is also an author of four books including the best-selling memoir, Composed composed which the Chicago Tribune called one of the best

accounts of an American life you'll likely ever read.

She is one of only a handful of women to be elected to the Nashville Songwriters Hall of Fame.

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