Ted Audio Collective.

This archival episode of Design Matters originally dropped in March of 2023.

We can be guided in the same way that a hummingbird is guided

to build a nest, the same way we can get back to our true connection if we get out of our own way.

From the TED Audio Collective, this is Design Matters with Debbie Millman. For 18 years, Debbie Millman has been talking with designers and other creative people about what they do,

how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about and working on.

On this episode record producer Rick Rubin talks about his book on creativity.

It's the first time my name has been on the front of something.

My name's always on the back.

I'm really excited to introduce you to a new podcast that I am loving.

It is from one of my favorite places on Earth, the Metropolitan Museum of Art.

The show is titled Immaterial, 5,000 Years of Art, one material at a time.

Hosted by Camille Dungy, each a man's art, clay, stone, trash, and even intangible things like space.

You'll gain a deep understanding of what these materials make us feel and reveal about our history and our humanity.

You'll also get a sense of the meaningfulness of these materials in art and how to see them in a whole new way.

To listen to immaterial, just search for immaterial in your favorite podcast app.

That's immaterial, 5,000 years of art, one material at a time. I love this

show and I think you will too.

When the celebrated record producer Rick Rubin decided to write about making great art,

he created a book about how to be in the world. This is because he believes, as I do, that life itself is a creative

act. Rick Rubin has won nine Grammy Awards and over the years he has produced a

who's who of musical artists from

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