Ted Audio Collective.

This archival episode of Design Matters originally dropped in May of 2023.

What I think a lot of women in particular do when they get divorced and they don't necessarily

have custody of their kids all the time is they throw themselves into work because you're like, well, you know, if I can't be taking care of my kids

and I'm not with them, then I have to be doing something else

and I have to, so that has afforded me the possibility to work, which has been great.

From the TED Audio Collective, this is Design Matters with Debbie Millman.

For 18 years, Debbie Millman has been talking with designers and other creative people about what they do, how they got to be, who they are, and what they're thinking about and working on.

On this episode, Martha Wainwright talks about what it's like to keep even a successful

musical career going.

I will be forgotten.

You have to, it's a train, you got to keep it going, you got to it's a train you got to keep it going you got to keep feeding it.

A good title serves as an invitation and Martha Wainwright knows not only how to craft that

invitation but how to deliver it in the most persuasive and penetrating manner.

One of her most famous songs is titled Bloody Mother-Fucking Asshole.

Now, who wouldn't want to know who that song is about and what wrong they caused?

Martha Wainwright's second album was titled that song is about and what wrong they caused.

Martha Wainwright's second album was titled,

I Know You're Married, but I've Got Feelings too.

That too was enigmatic.

Even the title of her memoir published in 2022 is a bit of a cliffhanger stories I might regret telling you

The book is about growing up in a family of rock and roll royalty and how she managed to find her own distinct musical voice.

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