This episode of Design Matters originally dropped in March of 2024.

I also like to be a voice for those of us who are discontent.

For those of us who are still clawing and fighting and wrestling and thrashing about, Those are my people.

From the TED Audio Collective, this is Design Matters with Debbie Milman.

For 19 years, Debbie Milman has been talking with designers and other creative people about

what they do, how they got to be

who they are, and what they're thinking about and working on. On this episode, Carrie Brownstein

talks about her career as a punk musician and her other career as a writer and comedian.

I want life to feel urgent. I want art to feel urgent.

Music I want art to feel urgent. I want art to feel urgent. This time last year, Hassan was working in sales and spent his evenings gaming.

Now he's working as a prison officer.

You know what's going to happen. It's not where it's just going there.

He's tackled cell fires, got through to some of the most challenging prisoners,

and helped support their rehabilitation.

He's done things he once thought he was never capable of.

But he still loves his gaming.

An extraordinary job done by someone like you.

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Great value speaks for itself.

Just ask our customers.

If somebody said to me that they wouldn't use Accardo because it was expensive,

I would say to them, have you even tried?

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