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Today's best up episode is number 14, defending a monster, in which we interviewed Shannon

Smith and Molly Blythe, two women who represented Larry Nasser, the Olympic doctor who...

Molested a bunch of young girls.

They got a lot of hate for daring to represent him in court.

Now, to be clear, they represented him in pleading guilty.

But I think the really interesting conversation that we have with them is what it means to be a public defender or what it means to be a defender in general.

And how is it as women?

How do you represent, well, a monster?

Just draw, father, have a chance to say something.

Go ahead, sir.

You saw a...

In a courtroom, we don't use profanity, but if you have some words that you would like to say,

I would like to give you the opportunity to say that.

I would ask you to, as part of this sentencing,

to grant me five minutes in a locked room of this demon.

I have a feeling.

Would you do that?

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