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Labyrinths with Amanda Knox

#124 - Circling the Rabbit Hole (Stephanie Kemmerer)

Labyrinths with Amanda Knox

Knox Robinson Productions

Society & Culture, Health & Fitness, True Crime, Mental Health

4.4 • 1K Ratings

🗓️ 4 June 2025

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

Stephanie Kemmerer spent years spiraling through conspiracy theories—from 9/11 truthers to reptilian overlords—before a single, personal conversation snapped her back to reality. Her journey through the world of conspiracy theories reveals how trauma, alienation, and the search for meaning can lead us deep into illusion. In this conversation, she reflects on the allure of certainty, the cost of disconnection, and what it really takes to wake up from a comforting lie. ⁠https://www.patreon.com/knoxrobinson⁠ https://www.amandaknox.com Bluesky: @amandaknox.com | @wisecracker.bsky.social IG: @amamaknox | @emceecarbon Free: My Search for Meaning: https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/amanda-knox/free/9781538770719/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

Feeling lost?

0:06.6

Then you're in the right place.

0:08.7

I'm Amanda Knox.

0:10.0

And I'm Christopher Robinson.

0:11.7

And this is Labyrinths.

0:14.2

American investigative journalist Gary Weiss once called conspiracy theories

0:26.6

the great intellectual cancer of our times.

0:29.6

The conspiratorial mindset spreads, creating a compulsion to believe in any hint of a secret plan or cover-up.

0:38.9

Stephanie Kemmerer lived with this compulsion for years,

0:42.8

and it led her to embrace ideas, like those perpetuated by the movie Zeitgeist,

0:47.7

that 9-11 was a controlled demolition.

0:51.3

Kemmerer is now in remission, you might say,

0:53.9

and she runs a support group for recovering

0:56.2

conspiracy theorists called Doubt, discussing our unusual beliefs together.

1:02.4

She joins us today to show us how she fell down these conspiratorial rabbit holes, how it

1:07.5

distanced her from family and friends, and how she came to see the narcissism

1:12.0

and what she calls celebrated victimhood

1:14.5

at the heart of her past delusions.

1:19.4

Let's go on a journey.

1:21.3

Where would you say your story

1:23.6

as a former conspiracy theorist starts?

1:31.3

As a little kid, I started getting into archaeology. I was like maybe seven or eight.

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