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at Death Panel underscore. I'm Beatrice Sadler Bolton, and I'm here today with my co-host, Tracy Rosenthal. So great to be back. And Tracy and I are really excited to be joined by journalist and author Brian Goldstone to talk about his recent book called There Is No Place for Us, Working and Homeless in America. Brian, welcome to the death panel. It's so great to have you

on the show. Oh, it's wonderful to be with you both. And thank you so much for coming on. I've really

been looking forward to this conversation the whole time that I've been on parental leave, and I'm so

glad we're finally getting a chance to discuss this book together. Your book, There Is No Place

for Us, is one of those sort of rare works of reportage that doesn't just document and contextualize suffering at the core of the crisis of shelter in the United States, but it also reveals the very specific, intimate political architecture that guarantees it in people's everyday lives.

You make clear that the suffering and insecurity

that we're going to talk about today is an accidental or anomalous. It's built into the system.

It is the system. It's not a bug. It's just the operating logic of our political economy.

The book, which follows five families in Atlanta, Georgia, isn't simply about housing precarity.

It's about racialized displacement as policy.

It's about how state violence becomes bureaucratic routine, how capitalism demands homelessness,

not only as a disciplinary force, but as the raw material at the center of profitable markets,

a threat, an outcome, and a business opportunity all at once.

And you show how the margins are produced by the deliberate logics of racial capitalism,

by a political economic system that requires a class of workers too precarious to rest and

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