My main goal was to create a space where the people working on that project could say whatever they wanted to say in the tone they wanted to say it in.

And then they said, Bob wants a cover.

I said, Bob wants a cover. We have like dogs on the cover.

From the TED Audio Collective, this is Design Matters with Debbie Milman.

On Design Matters, Debbie talks with designers and other creative people about what they do,

how they got to be who they are,

and what they're thinking about, and working on.

To mark the end of 2024, on this episode, we're going to hear excerpts from interviews Debbie did

with magazine editors in the past year or so.

I had no experience. I mean, like, zero experience.

We got no digital signatures. We checked into that hotel and we waited.

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For many years now, Debbie has been interviewing designers, artists, writers, filmmakers,

musicians, people in pretty much every creative field. In the past year or so,

it just so happens that she interviewed

some of the best magazine editors in the business. In this episode, we're going to hear excerpts

from those interviews. First up, Stella Bugby, the Stiles editor at the New York Times since 2021.

Before that, Stella Bugby was the editor of New York Magazine's website, The Cut.

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