The glacier, if the weather was good, the glacier would be spectacular.

Like, it was fantastic.

And she was filming herself in front of the concert all night long.

From the TED Audio Collective, this is Design Matters with Debbie Millman.

On Design Matters, Debbie talks with designers and other creative people about what they do,

how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about, and working on.

To mark the end of 2024, on this episode, we're going to hear excerpts from interviews Debbie did with visual artists in the past year.

My bona fides, which came from academia, counted for nothing.

I was moved when I read it.

I read it and I thought it was very funny how boring it was.

If you had to add out what kinds of creative people have most appeared on design matters, designers would come first, especially since Debbie interviewed designers almost exclusively in the early days of this podcast, but a close second would probably be artists.

So many designers also have an art practice, or their work simply

bridges the divide between design and art. On this episode, we're going to hear excerpts from

interviews that Debbie did with four very different artists. S. Devlin is a set designer who often

works on a grand scale. She's done concert sets for Beyonce and Lady Gaga,

for opera festivals, the Olympics, and even for the Super Bowl. One of her latest projects was

creating digital sculptures for U-2 and the inaugural performance at The Sphere, the giant immersive

entertainment arena just outside of Las Vegas.

In an article that I read about your involvement with the sphere, you talked about the

iPhone occasion of the experience of being at the sphere and seeing the unbelievable explosion of art and graphics where you're fully

immersed in this environment. It is really transformational. It does feel like either a

religious experience or a drug-induced experience. It's really unlike anything that has come before it.

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