Best of 2023: The Gray Lady vs. Trans Life w/ Vicky Osterweil

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4.8 • 588 Ratings

🗓️ 26 December 2023

⏱️ 117 minutes

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As we send off 2023, we’re releasing a series of some of our favorite episodes of the year—including some newly unlocked episodes that have previously only been available to patrons. This episode was originally released for Death Panel patrons on February 20th, 2023. To support the show and help make episodes like this one possible, become a patron at www.patreon.com/deathpanelpod. Original description: Bea and Jules speak with Vicky Osterweil about the recent open letter to the New York Times critical of apparent bias in paper's reporting on trans people. In the first half, we get into the letter, the coverage that provoked it, and the Times' dismal response to the criticism so far. In the second half, we get into the conceptual problems with the coverage and some of the deeper issues in the liberal "just asking questions" framework. Find our book Health Communism here: www.versobooks.com/books/4081-health-communism Pre-order Jules' new book here: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/733966/a-short-history-of-trans-misogyny-by-jules-gill-peterson/ Death Panel merch here (patrons get a discount code): www.deathpanel.net/merch As always, support Death Panel at www.patreon.com/deathpanelpod In this episode we reference some of the following previous episodes that touched on this topic at length: Our episode with Jules (back when Jules was a guest!) on the problems with Emily Bazelon's article from last year, can be found here: https://soundcloud.com/deathpanel/panic-at-the-gender-clinic-w-jules-gill-peterson-and-charlie-markbreiter-062322 Our episode with Beans Velocci can be found here: https://soundcloud.com/deathpanel/standards-of-care-w-beans-velocci-080422 Our episode from last year on the court ruling re: the ADA and gender dysphoria can be found here: https://soundcloud.com/deathpanel/in-taxonomy-we-trust-091522

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0:00.0	The strategy of dissimulating, you know, by, oh, we're just, this one's just journalism.
0:06.5	And this one's about ethics.
0:07.6	And this is actually just, it was already scheduled.
0:10.1	You know, this constant sort of noise to sort of hide what's really going on misses the point,
0:15.3	which is that once the piece is published in this world, it is going to do more damage than
0:20.7	any of us could hope to fix by even getting a withdrawal or anything.
0:24.7	You know, at this point, like, the damage is done, no matter what anyone's feelings or opinions were on that.
0:30.7	And if the Times doesn't know that, that's probably a greater condemnation of them than if they do.
1:02.4	Yeah. condemnation of them than if they do. Welcome to the Deaf panel.
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1:33.4	So today, Jules and I are joined by friend of the panel, Vicky Osterwile, to talk about a recent
1:39.2	open letter to the New York Times sent by contributors, writers, and journalists who have worked with the paper in the past,
1:45.4	expressing serious concerns about editorial bias in the newspaper's coverage of trans people and the resulting drama that has followed.
1:54.1	Vicky is the author of the book, in defense of looting, and she has been a writer and media worker for a very long time.
1:59.8	She is currently working on her next book called The Extended Universe, coming in 2024 from Haymarket.
2:06.2	Vicki, welcome back to the death panel.
2:07.8	It is so great to have you back on the show.
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