It's something that I think that works across mediums.

There's these moments, you know, in this conversation people will listen back and there will be this one little thing we say that will be the most important point in the whole conversation.

There is always just this like 80, 20 momentary spark that if you can just listen for that, that spark can become like you said, the next thing and then the next thing and the next thing.

And it almost becomes like this, you're kind of following it, I think of it like a river, the river is flowing where it wants to flow.

Right, the water always follows the path of the least resistance.

I can even try to force the river to go somewhere else, but it'll be just an unimaginable amount of effort and won't work.

So it's much better to just follow where your own creativity wants to flow rather than try to force it and it's also much more fun and much easier.

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Tiago, welcome back to the unmistakable creative. Thanks so much for taking the time to join us.

Thank you, Strenie. It's a real pleasure to be here.

Oh, I have been looking forward to this conversation for so long.

You have a new book out building a second brain, which I am happy to say I made the introduction to my literary agent and I did that entirely for selfish reasons because I wanted you to write this book for me.

Fortunately, lots of other people have benefited from this book.

But before we get into second brain, I want to start by asking your question that is absolutely nothing to do with that.

What social group are you part of in high school and what impacted that I've been to end up having on your life and your career?

Wow, that's an interesting one. And actually, I think it does explain a lot.

I wasn't really part of anyone group.

I think that's largely because for various reasons, I went to five different schools five years in a row.

Wow, for sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, sixth, no, five, sixth, seventh, eighth, and ninth, five grades in a row.

I either switched like from elementary to middle in the middle to high school or I was switching from public school to private school, which I tried out for a year, or I was switching from the US to Brazil where I spent the eighth grade.

And so I kind of came in high school just having all of my, you know, established social circles obliterated, which meant I had to just be this kind of chameleon.

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