Don't use tech as an end. It is only useful when it comes to human flourishing when you're

deploying tech for very specific intentional purposes that you care about.

As soon as the tech becomes an end in itself, that's when we start to see problems.

Hey folks, welcome back to the Unbeatable Mind podcast.

This is Mark Devine, your host. Thanks so much for joining me today.

We're going to have an incredible show with my friend Kel Newport, author of Digital Minimalism,

and one of my favorite books,

Deep Work.

Kel, so stoked to have you.

I'll introduce more, but geez,

you know, it's really good to have you back in the show,

and I miss you man yeah it's my

pleasure it's been too long it has I've been tracking your work and I know that

you're a university professor you're a computer scientist actually but I loved when I read in deep work just how you organize your life.

And so it really was not a surprise that your next work was digital minimalism because you

already are kind of a minimalist

and I'm really stoked that you went deep into that subject

to help other people appreciate the benefits of that.

But so let's, you know, before we kind of get into all that cool stuff let's remind our

listeners or those who aren't familiar with your work or who you are as a person you know just a little bit

about your background and how you came to teach computer science and

and what it is that really fires you up and makes you unbeatable. Well I really do two

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