You can't be? The mind is the king of senses, the king of senses, the breath is the king of the mind.

Like that is a profound statement that most people are just like what?

Welcome back to the ideal line podcast.

My name is Mark Levine.

Thanks for joining me today. We're going to have a really interesting

discussion today with Rob Wilson and I've been Brian McKenzie who are running now a seminar by that name and I've known

Brian for many years for about 10 years now at least.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Author, you know, I knew him when he first started Crossman endurance.

He's the author of Unbreakable Runner, is that right?

Unbreakable Runnerner, power speed endurance, and the last one was Unplugged.

Yeah, we did a podcast about Unplugged.

Yes, we did.

It was awesome.

You know, like you were at the vanguard of the unplugged movement, speaking about it with regard to training,

but like there's, you know, I'm seeing more and more information pop up about.

Getting unplugged, you know, from the iPhone, but from well ironically that's I think the importance of what it is

We're here to kind of really talk about and and something that is you know which you'll totally get and understand based, you know.

I can't wait to get back into that.

Okay, so Brian comes from that kind of endurance, strength conditioning, cross fit, you know, just like an all around human developer.

And Rob has education in what he calls manual therapy.

I'm curious what that is, as opposed to non-manual?

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