This is CBS I in the world. I'm John Bachelor. The European Union, the German Republic, Russia and the threat, and at the same time Israel and the tragedy.

I welcome Judy Dempsey, the editor-in-chief of Strategic Europe, she's in Berlin for the Carnegie

Endowment for International Peace writing most recently about these crises

around the world and how they come to Berlin, come to Germany.

Remember Berlin is the capital not only of the German republic but also of Prussia.

So and Prussia was once two-thirds of all of Germany. So we're looking at layer upon layer of history and we begin with Judy's essay about the four pillars that Germany has relied upon, these 75 years of the founding

of the German republic, Judy reminds me. Security, the EU, Russia, and Israel.

Judy, a very good evening to you, security.

Zitan Vender, that was the speech made by the Chancellor of Schulz immediately

after the invasion of Ukraine by the Russian forces. What was it then? What is it now? What have they paid for? Good

evening to you.

Good evening, John, and thank you for having me on your shows all this. Well, the Seiden vendor, as the name implies, was meant to be the great turning point, the turning of German foreign policy and security policy that Chancellor Schultz announced in the Bundestag just days after Russia invaded again the second time for Ukraine in February 2022.

And the whole idea was to shift Germany out of its malaise, be a foreign policy player, be a security policy player, and don't

look at Russia through any kind of innocent eyes anymore. but it is essentially trying to revamp the

German way of looking at things which had become rather complacent depending on

the US security umbrella and the EU and other issues over the decades and

so Charles promised to change in all sorts of directions earmarking 100 billion

euros to finance the change certainly the armed forces. But here we are now,

two and a half years down the lane and little has been delivered he has a super defense minister but bureaucracy finances deficits interests caution is coming back the anti-risk thing is taking hold again in Germany.

I appreciate the anxiety about deficit spending I understand it's built into the worry about the German

Republic and yet in wartime the US deficit spends. We spend any amount of money

we can imagine in wartime and that is true for other countries.

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