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Impolitic with John Heilemann

Ben Smith: Trump's Gravity Bong & Silicon Valley's Samizdat

Impolitic with John Heilemann

Audacy | Puck

News, Politics

4.84.2K Ratings

🗓️ 2 May 2025

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Summary

John is joined by Semafor editor-in-chief Ben Smith to discuss the role of private group chats in pushing Silicon Valley's politics to the right—and many of its most powerful figures into the arms of Donald Trump. Ben lays out how dozens of hush-hush Signal and WhatsApp groups emerged during Covid among the tech elite in reaction to what its members saw as the stifling woke conformity of social media; the seminal role of venture capitalist Marc Andreessen in seeding these forums; and how their influence now flows through X, Substack, and podcasts, making them the "dark matter of American politics and media." Ben also contends that, 100 days into his second term, Trump is starting to feel the pull of political gravity; that Semafor, which he cofounded three years ago, still retains the vaulting ambitions the company famously trumpeted at launch; and that the recent tumult in financial markets has elevated "Margin Call" from a cult classic to the greatest Wall Street movie of all time. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Aloha and Namaste everyone and welcome to Impolitic with John Heilman, a puck and Odyssey

0:10.7

Joint featuring lively, in-depth conversations with people who cruise the corridors of power

0:15.4

in America, sculpting and shaping the ebb and flow of our politics and culture.

0:20.9

This past Sunday night, I was doing my usual Sunday night thing,

0:24.5

nursing a glass of mictors and watching some equally delectable and high-proof TV.

0:29.0

In this case, the third episode of what shaping up to be a superb season two of The Last of Us.

0:34.4

When an email arrived bearing the subject line, the group chats that changed America.

0:39.7

My first instinct was to trash that email without even reading it, captivating his signal

0:44.1

gate was for a time I felt like I'd read about as much as I could tolerate about the laughable

0:49.9

carelessness and gratuitous dumbassery of Donald Trump's national security team when it came to

0:54.1

communications and their predilection to behave like a bunch of tittering teenage girls if teenage

1:00.6

girls were really into showing off about how much they knew in advance about the bombing of hootie

1:04.9

rebels but then i thought come on john don't kid yourself you could never get enough of pete

1:10.6

heggsus emoji game so i opened the

1:12.8

email but i found something different and far more interesting there originally reported and deeply

1:18.5

revelatory piece by semifor editor and chief ben smith about the proliferation over the last few years of

1:23.9

private group chats on signal and WhatsApp among the Silicon Valley elite.

1:28.5

And the role that those chats has played in facilitating and hastening, if not actually causing,

1:34.0

the shift of the high-tech world's political allegiances to the right, a shift so pronounced

1:38.7

that it has led many of the world's most famous and brilliant minds to embrace a man that

1:43.8

many of them surely consider an utter ding brilliant minds to embrace a man that many of them

1:44.3

surely consider an utter dingbat, that would be Donald Trump, and a shift so consequential

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