If you have a landscape is producing canvas backs and and and and Drake Mallards and Pintales and all

and wild turkeys and milk and all stuff.

And people are drawing from that, right?

And you have every incentive and every passion

to make sure that landscape stays intact so that you can draw

these things and an intact landscape is paying you back a million times over.

But there's something about that immersion into nature into challenging yourself

medically and physically, mentally and physically and...

Sometimes medically as well. And so to see the young people see the young people see the young women to see the

young men to see the they're new and they're curious and they're enthusiastic

gives you hope for the future you know.

Hello this is Hal Herring, uh, backcountry hunters anglers podcast and blast in June of 2018.

I'm up in Whitefish, Montana with a guy I've known a long time being long.

He's a contributing writer for outdoor life.

I'd let you introduce yourself, but you've been at BHA

back Hunter Heners and Anglers since as long as I've known about it.

Yeah pretty much I mean I was there I wasn't at the original campfire you know the

BHA kind of the first meeting of BHA was about

nine folks around a campfire at Mike Beagle's place and at the point I think, at the time I think is at

Eagle Point, Oregon. But I met Mike a few weeks later, so I think I was probably within

the first dozen of members of BHA and then got myself on the board and was on the board for like 13 years.

When was that?

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