Ben Fogle,

relentlessly pursues adventure, risk and challenge,

but this doesn't come from a place of strength and courage.

It comes from the opposite.

If you think you're going to fail, you're going to fail.

You just have to have this positive attitude and

and it was only actually working with Olympians that I've done now when I climbed Everest that I

realize you need this confidence verging on arrogance that I will get to the top of this mountain.

Three weeks before he was due to be born naturally and we lost our third child and it was an awful

awful experience that affected us profoundly. I became really introverted.

I'd go to events and I'd find myself going to the Lou and just sitting in the little cubicle

for the duration of the whole event.

Big mistake, we got death threats and worse. I shouldn't have shared this idea in a social media platform,

but I was amazed at the vile vitriolic abuse. Ben Fogle. He's a TV presenter, broadcaster and author. He's climbed Mount Everest, he's trekked across Antarctica, and he's rowed across the Atlantic Ocean.

Ben relentlessly pursues adventure, risk and challenge, but this doesn't come from a place of strength and

courage. It comes from the opposite. From a place that you would probably never

expect. This was such a diverse conversation and we covered so much and so many things. Ben has been on the most

incredible journey tearing up the script and ignoring the standard society sets for all of us on this

never-ending continuous journey of rebuilding himself as he says in

his own words and that journey has been inspired by one simple idea his desire to

take back control of his own personal narrative, something he believes

we've all lost control of. And this podcast is going to take you on a journey, from the need to a

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