If we live in a world in which we are constantly confused about right and wrong,

about truth and fiction, about lies and things that are really importantly not lies,

it messes with our heads, you know, and it makes possible certain kinds of exploitation.

Hello and welcome to Wise Is Happening With Me, your host Chris Hayes.

Hey there with pod listeners, we're going to talk at the end of this show about the live show

we're doing in Los Angeles. You can get tickets at ticamaster.com, search Chris Hayes October 21st,

Tiffany Smiling because I'm selling, selling, but, but for those you in Los Angeles who do not have

the coin to purchase the tickets, I've heard from some of you, we're going to do a ticket giveaway,

and I'm going to give some details on the ticket giveaway at the end of the interview.

We're also disabling the 15-second forward button on your iPod apps. You've got to listen to

the whole thing. Actually, you just downloaded it. You know, if you listen or not listen,

just the download is all I care about. I can't of course. So today is cool and something new,

and I just, you know, I sit here in the studio and I love when we do something new. I was really

psyched to do this interview this week because the person that we talk to, someone that I have,

you know, read and who's writing, I've invited for a long time, I have a crystal clear memory,

two memories. One memory is being, I don't know, probably 10 or 11 years old, and the biggest

news story in the country for a while was that there was an author who'd written a novel

called The Static Versus, and that the Itolla in Iran had issued a fatwa. I remember that term.

It had such a kind of like foreign menace to it when it appeared in newscasts, a fatwa,

which is just a word for a religious ruling. You can have a fatwa on like, you know,

what kind of hallal meat you can and can't eat. It doesn't have anything nefarious, but my

introduction to it was so nefarious that to this day it echoes in my ears nefariously, but

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