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G-I-R-L-S-C-A-N-P-S-K-R-S-K R L S C. A. M. P. It's Girls Camp. Hello everyone and welcome to the Girls Camp podcast. I'm your house

Haley Rawl and I am joined today by Jessica Page. Welcome, Jessica. Hi. Thank you. I am so excited

to talk to you. You are currently living an experience that I've been very

curious about for a long time, but I feel like it's hard to find people currently living your

experience that are also openly talking about it. Yes. Because you are P-I-M-O. Do you say P-M-O or P-M-O?

I say P-M-O, too. Okay. So let's just go with P-B-O. Okay. I was like, gonna Google this. I was like, how do you pronounce that? Because I say P-M-O, that's the acronym. Yeah. For those who are unfamiliar with this like Mormon, ex-Mormon lingo, physically in, mentally out, otherwise known as Pimos. Pimo. And that is what you are

currently doing. Yeah. I hate the word Pimo. I use it online. I just say hate the way it sounds, right?

Yeah. It's a silly word. It has a bad like mouth feel. Yes. So when I'm talking to people about it in real life, a lot of the times

I'll say secular Mormon. Love. I really like that approach. To me, it feels a bit more intentional

than just being stuck in a place. It's like, this is a place I'm actively choosing to be.

And I've had to actively change my mindset and the framework in which I view church.

Instead of just being like stuck in this place where I feel like I can't say what I feel

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