From Cafe and the Vox Media Podcast Network, welcome to Stay Tuned.

I'm Pete Barara.

It's not about winning a fight in the room.

I don't think you do the job as press secretary unless you've got like a little feisty in you.

Otherwise, like, I don't know how you would do that job.

It's very easy to like get into a back and forth with a person in the room.

And to a person, most people said to me, it's about speaking to the people who are watching at home.

That's Jen Socky.

She served as the White House Press Secretary for President Biden for the first 16 months of the administration.

As chief spokesperson for the president, Socky was instrumental in messaging for the White House,

often amid combative questioning from the press court.

Last year, she joined MSNBC as a political analyst and recently debuted the Sunday program, inside with Jen Socky.

Few people understand President Biden and his political orbit better than Jen Socky.

So I was lucky to speak with her just hours after the president announced his re-election campaign.

We discussed the state of the 2024 race, including whether Rhonda Santos' popularity as a GOP candidate has already peaked.

And we looked back on Socky's tenure in the White House.

That's coming up. Stay tuned.

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