Welcome to part two of our interview with Stephen Asher about the Western State lunatic asylum.

How would staff essentially explain something like that?

I mean, when they're doing charts on patients and things of that nature to document how they're doing on a day-to-day basis,

and when something like this comes up and happens and is verifiable by someone, a staff member,

not a patient, where it could be written off as a story that someone is telling.

I mean, how is that handled in a case like that?

The facility, just like any hospital institution,

because anything like it is institutionalized,

you run into, you have the line officer or you have the orderly.

You have the sergeant or what would be considered like the charge nurse,

and then the captain or lieutenant, which would be like the head nurse.

Then you have people coming in, which would be the doctors on rounds,

the staff physician, psychiatrist, and their higher-ups who actually facilitate changes in policies in the facility.

What happens more often than not is no one wants to take

that to their boss no one wants to look like they're that they're rocking the apple cart

and all that not that if a person is violently hurt in some which a way and something especially

it looks like they might get sued.

If someone gets bumped up a little bit, they just kind of write it off too well.

People have different episodes.

People, maybe if they have seizures or they have delusions for whatever they at that moment might have had this act going on.

If a person has a violent muscle contraction,

it might feel like you're being strangled or held down.

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