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From the Vox Media Podcast Network, it's channels with Peter Kafka. That's me. I am the chief correspondent or business insider, where I write about tech and media. And today's show is about both

those things. And it's pretty good. I've got to say so. And first, a teeny tiny bit of meta

commentary about this show, channels. This is the fifth episode of our newly relaunched show and I've

been looking at the numbers and they're pretty good, which what I was hoping for, but

you never know. Crucially, we've been able to keep a lot of the audience for the old

show, which is great. And the real goal here is to expand this thing because I think

there are a lot of people who would enjoy channels if they knew about it. So we're going to work on that on our end. We do have an ask for you. If you like the show, my ask is that you tell someone else about it. You could tweet about it or thread about it. Social media is great. But so is simply telling your friend who asks for a podcast recommendation, or you can get really nervy and tell a friend who has

not asked for a recommendation. You do you. But thanks for listening regardless. Okay, so back to the

actual programming. Today's show is a two-fer. First off, we are talking to Gabriel Sherman,

the Vanity Fair writer who wrote and produced the most controversial movie of the year.

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