Behind The Scammer

Thanks For Asking

Feelings & Co.

Society & Culture, Personal Journals, Health & Fitness, Mental Health

4.7 • 13.4K Ratings

🗓️ 7 December 2021

⏱️ 8 minutes

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Summary

We’re culturally obsessed with scammers, con artists and fraudsters. People like Elizabeth Holmes and Bernie Madoff dominate headlines and then get films made and books written documenting what they did and how they did it. But behind the scammers are the victims: individuals who are struggling to recover their sense of safety, their identity … and their money. In July 2021, Isaiah Goodman was sentenced to 7 years in prison for defrauding clients out of more than $2.3 million dollars. He spent the money on a hot tub, a fancy house, two cars, a cruise … but it wasn’t his money. That money belonged to -- among others -- Celisia Stanton and Rev. Michael Gonzales, two very real people whose lives were materially impacted by Goodman’s materialism. Celisia’s podcast is called “Truer Crime,” and you can (and should!) listen to it here. She also set up a GoFundMe to help the Gonzales family recoup some of their financial losses. You can help them here. Support our new independent production (and get bonus content galore!) by joining TTFA Premium. We now offer tiers as low as $4.99 / month. Sign up. Our email subscribers get first dibs on ticket sales, new merch, show announcements and more. Join our mailing list here. Did you know we’re on TikTok? Yep, it’s true. Follow Nora. You can catch up with TTFA on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook using @ttfapodcast. Nora's Instagram is @noraborealis. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Things we don't like to share. Uncomfortable moments under the mistletoe. Uh-oh.
0:05.7	Things we do like to share. Gifts, especially if they're from Samsung.
0:09.5	Because this year you can claim cash back and selected Samsung products,
0:13.2	with 150 pounds on a Galaxy Z Flip 4 and 50 pounds on a pair of Galaxy Buds 2 Pro.
0:18.6	Merry Christmas to them and to you. Find out more at Samsung.com.
0:23.1	Purchase before 20th December 22 from a part is a patent retailer.
0:26.7	Claim from Samsung within 60 days of purchase. Tzanzi's apply.
0:34.3	I'm Nora McNeerney. And I'm Marcel Malikibu. And this is terrible thanks for asking.
0:41.3	And I am personally fascinated by scammers Marcel. Me too. Are aren't you? Aren't you?
0:48.2	And guess what? It's not just you. It's not just me. It's us culturally. We are saturated
0:53.6	with scam stories right now. Who is a scammer that you think I look like Elizabeth Holmes?
0:59.7	That's right. Elizabeth Holmes from Theranos. Uh, apparently we look like.
1:05.4	I've watched the documentary. I've listened to every podcast. I was obsessed with the
1:10.7	Bernie Madoff story, which is also a show on HBO. Fire Fest. Yep. Yep. Jock. Jock got
1:19.7	bamboozled. Hoodwinked. Let us stray. Let us stray. We are fascinated by scammers because scammers
1:30.7	scam people. They break the social contract. The unspoken agreement that allows us to walk through
1:39.4	the world believing that the people we come into contact with are who they say they are.
1:46.1	And for any scammer to be able to take what isn't theirs, I feel like they have to be pretty likeable,
1:54.8	pretty charismatic. They have to have a certain something like a person we're going to talk about
2:00.9	in today's episode. His name is Isaiah Goodman. He is a minister to man who builds himself as an
2:07.0	entrepreneur and a financial advisor who was out to change the world of personal finance.
2:12.8	And on this journey to change the world of personal finance, he was on local TV a lot talking
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