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The Conversation with Dasha Burns

Behind the RNC's anti-Trump revolt

The Conversation with Dasha Burns

POLITICO

News, Politics, Government

4.01.6K Ratings

🗓️ 27 January 2023

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

After losing both chambers of Congress during Trump’s presidency and after waging a disappointing campaign to recapture them in 2022, the Republican Party is having a lot of intra-party feuds. This week, the post-election search for new leadership moved to the Republican National Committee. Right now, there’s no agreed-upon leader of the party, so like the recent battles in the Senate and the House, the RNC election has turned into a fight to define the GOP’s future. And once again, Donald Trump is at the center of the debate. Playbook co-author Rachael Bade flew to Orange County, California, to watch the fireworks at the RNC’s winter meeting, where the three-time incumbent chair Ronna McDaniel faced a challenge from conservative lawyer Harmeet Dhillon. To understand what this fight is all about, Rachael had breakfast with Bill Palatucci, a longtime party member who is also a close ally of Chris Christie’s and a loud critic of Donald Trump. In this week’s episode, Palatucci explains how the Dhillon-McDaniel contest isn’t just about the RNC chairmanship – it's about who will lead the Republican Party into 2024 — and beyond — and why the GOP could languish for a very long time depending on the outcome. Ryan Lizza is a Playbook co-author for POLITICO.Bill Palatucci is an RNC national committee man for New Jersey.Afra Abdullah is an associate producer for POLITICO audio.Kara Tabor is a producer for POLITICO audio.Alex Keeney is a senior producer for POLITICO audio.Brook Hayes is a senior editor for POLITICO audio.Jenny Ament is the executive producer for POLITICO audio. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

In politics, the most bitter feuds often happen within political parties and not between them.

0:13.3

After losing both chambers of Congress during Trump's presidency and after waging a disappointing

0:17.8

campaign to recapture them in 2022, the Republican Party is having a lot of intra-party feuds

0:24.3

right now. And they all revolve around the same person. Donald Trump. There was the relatively

0:35.8

low-drama affair of who would lead Republicans in the Senate, where Mitch McConnell prevailed

0:40.6

after being challenged by a few of his more Trump-y colleagues. Then the action moved over to the

0:47.1

House, where Kevin McCarthy, who had Trump's support, survived a more grueling challenge

0:53.4

by giving up much of the power of the speakership in order to secure the job.

0:59.7

This week, the post-election search for new leadership moved over to the Republican National

1:04.8

Committee. Battles for party chair are often settled behind the scenes. When a party controls

1:12.0

the White House, the president usually just picks the person he wants in charge. But right

1:16.8

now, there's no agreed-upon leader of the Republican Party, and so like those recent

1:21.9

battles in the Senate and the House, the RNC election has turned into a war to define

1:28.2

the GOP's future. And once again, Donald Trump is at the center of that debate. I'm Ryan

1:36.7

Liza, and this is Playbook Deep Dive.

1:46.3

My colleague Rachel Bade flew to California to watch the fireworks at the RNC's Winter

1:50.5

Meeting, where the three-time incumbent chair, Ronald McDaniel, faced a challenge from

1:55.7

a lawyer named Harmie Dillon. To understand what this fight is all about, Rachel had

2:01.3

breakfast. With Bill Palatucci, a longtime party member, who is also a close ally of

2:12.2

Chris Christie's, and allowed critic of Donald Trump's. Every time you see Chuck Schumer,

2:18.9

or Vice President Harris, presiding of the United States Senate, you lay all that blame

2:23.7

at the feet of Donald Trump.

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